Women are much more likely than men to move out of the research-professor pipeline in order to have children. Bjoern Brembs wonders if we should make science a 9-5 job in order to accommodate women with children, or should we get used to not having a 50-50 distribution of men and women?
Recently there was an interview with Beryl Lieff Benderly who covered the topic of women in science on the podcast of the journal Science. They talked about a feature article in American Scientist precisely on that topic. That article stated what has been clear for any scientist wanting or already with children: children are a major risk factor if you plan to land a permanent academic position.
As I’ve described before (and every scientist knows), you work 12-16h days, 6-7 days a week just to be able to compete with the huge glut of postdocs also searching for that coveted tenured position. If you have children, that means you won’t see them until they’re old enough to be awake when you are (given appropriate childcare), or you cut down on that time, risking your job – and thereby risking to land on a job market rife with young talent when you’re over 40, without having ever seen a company from the inside, sporting a highly specialized skill set which is utterly useless outside of academia and a family to feed. It is quite obvious that, at least currently, you’d find more men willing to forgo a family than women (whatever the reasons may be), explaining a lower percentage of women tenured faculty.
Now, the authors of the American Scientist article confirm these fairly obvious mechanisms:
Childless women are paid, promoted and rewarded equivalently to their male peers (and in some analyses at even higher rates). Children completely change the landscape for women—but do not appear to have the same effect on the careers of men.
Thus supporting the notion that women do not seem to be explicitly discriminated against, at least not on a large scale, but opt to not apply for tenured positions at a larger rate than men. The Science article summarizes:
But mothers, especially those with young children — and even women planning on motherhood — are “far more likely to move out of the research-professor pipeline…. No other factor can account for as much leakage of women….”
The Science article also quotes other researchers supporting the notion that time missed due to giving birth and then taking care of the infant is not tolerated by tenure committees, adding a crucial component to the competition: not only do you have to work 60-80h work weeks, you can’t take any breaks, either.
The Science article concludes by describing another profession (clinical pediatrics) in which the demands on the candidates have changed over time to accommodate women in the workforce. Transferred to science this would mean that you’d have to clock scientists to prevent them from working more than the regular, predictable and child friendly 9-5, 5 days a week (and enforce it!), and tenure committees would have to choose women with child-breaks over equally qualified candidates without children. Clearly, while this is doable, we’re not even close to even debating it. Is this Science article the beginning of such a debate? Should we make science a 9-5 job in order to accommodate women with children? Or should we get used to not having a 50-50 distribution of men and women?
Until any such reforms happen, I can advise from experience (now backed up by data): if you want to see your children grow up and stay in science, don’t get children before you have tenure – irrespective of whether you’re male or female.
Note: This article gives the views of the author(s), and not the position of the Impact of Social Sciences blog, nor of the London School of Economics.
This post was originally published on Bjoern Brembs’ personal blog.
The academic profession has always been terribly sexist and very unfair to women. Limiting working hours to 9-5pm does not change anything. As academics, we spend many weekends and after hours writing grant proposals, chasing deadlines, paper submissions. These are the hours women often don’t have when they are trying to juggle babies and children. Women are also more prone to feeling guilty even if these tasks are taken over by their partners, and that does make productivity lower, which has to be acknowledged. One way to do it is to revise the performance measurement system. it doesn’t get rid of the peer pressure, but would lessen its effect and make it less unfair.
Or, how about men starting to take some shared responsibility for raising their own children, rather than assuming it’s ‘naturally’ women’s work to do that?
I agree fullheartedly with stonesby. Reading the article, I got rather annoyed: It is framed in a way that the entire, lovely-working system would need to be changed only to give these interfering women a chance.
I believe fathers need to take some responsibility in childcare. I also would like to see companies and universities have first-class childcare in place that would allow some greater flexibility for working parents. But most of all I believe that a change in the system might benefit everyone. Do male scientists who are fathers not want to see their children growing up? Are they happy to spend their weekends at work? Would male scientists not rather avoid stress-related health troubles?
I am also sick and tired of women being told that they have children at the wrong time. They are either too young, and should not be amazed if they have to give up their career as a consequence, or they are too old and apparently put the health of their children at risk.
“that the entire, lovely-working system would need to be changed” Should we read that as changing the reputation system of a small section of society (the scientific community) being so difficult that we should rather try to change the entire society such that all men (not only scientists) in all professions should take on more responsibility? As a man, I don’t disagree with the sentiment, but would argue that “that the entire, lovely-working system would need to be changed” is the smaller problem, compared to changing the attitude of all men world-wide…
I want to see my child grow up which is why my productivity has taken a nosedive since her birth. I now only work ~50h per week with only occasional week-end work. If I had had our daughter earlier and my productivity would have gone down like now, I certainly would not have received the offer of a tenured position I have now. I’d have been out of science by now, most likely, and I’m not female.
Science, as it is now, is inherently anti-family – no matter if you’re male of female. And I haven’t even started ranting about the requirement to constantly move, just when you child has gotten used to a new daycare, new friends etc. If productivity remains a prime factor in determining careers and statistics remain as bleak as they are, nothing will change, because, on average, more hours mean more papers.
I think maybe some bits of science could learn from other bits. In the health sciences, part time working (for both men and women) is widely accepted in the UK. Of course it has some drawbacks, but I have found that working with part time colleagues helps keep the rest of us a bit more grounded in what real life is! We had a post about this on the Fuse blog recently: http://fuseopenscienceblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/full-time-part-time-job.html